Goodbye TalkBloodBowl.com

kar2nr · Goodbye TalkBloodBowl.com

for those who use TBB.com, they will be of the air for good on Sunday Nov.8. Thanks GW!! Evil or Very Mad

MeatLoafX

Yep - 9 years of a great site and GW decided to shoot itself in the foot.

I can't understand lawyers. Or business.

vegeta7913

The first rule about Blood Bowl, is you can't talk about Blood Bowl anywhere in the world, or for that matter use the phrase Blood Bowl in writing, without making sure GW gets a cut.

vegeta7913

To be safe, Jerod, we should change this forum name to BB, or maybe "That really fun game owned by pricks."

kar2nr

Groomie

That probably means a GW version of 5th edition. I wouldn't be surprised if LRB and the Rules Committee is shot down next.

SunDevil

They couldn't just change their site name?

vegeta7913

it wasn't just the site name, the guy runs it from his own server, and does all the upkeep himself, and GW wanted him to desist taking donations for upkeep. along with some other demands.

MeatLoafX

Yeah, and it doesn't even make sense from a legal view. He needs a lawyer working in England, where he's at, to assist him. Most of the time, these letters are sent to lowly chaps with little knowledge/power. Challenging the sender of those letters wouldn't be hard - they operate under the system of intimidation.

My cynical side is that GW waited for LRB6 to be done (it is) and sent to them to publish (it is). Now, they don't need the forum or it's suggestions anymore.

Groomie

This is pretty much how GW has operated as a business since about 1990. Around that time they stole proprietary information from game distributors and were successfully sued over unfair business practices. Since that time they have limited their litigation to small businesses and individuals. GW has had a long standing dispute with any Internet based operations regarding their products, especially internet sales. I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner.

Here is what I fear happening.

GW will see events like the GenCon tournament, the success of the video game and the activities of NAF as proof that a new edition of Blood Bowl is needed to maintain both copyright and to influence the table top game environment. They will then sever any amicable ties to groups like the Rules Committee and publish a new base set with a new set of rules.

Players will be forced to choose between new rules or playing with current LRB rules. GW will threaten to sue anyone publicly posting any LRB rules online as they have done in the past for their other games, including their flagship Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 lines.

Groomie

Here is the announcement along with GW's list of demands.

Good evening everybody,

Today I received a letter from the Games Workshop Group PLC stating that if I didn't compy with 4 directives within 14 days they would take formal proceedings against me. It saddens me to see GW take such action against a perfectly legitamate fan site that has provided a global communications portal for BB fans, with no intention of conning them out of the millions they make in sales. I feel that I have been stereotypically branded as an Internet con-man. I have been a GW fan for 20+ years and this site has been active for almost 9 of that 20. This site has also had GW staff registered and actively contribute to its content (it may still have).

The assumptions from GWG PLC are that I am making a profit from the donations received by this site. They also point out that consumers may believe TalkBB is connected with GW and the fact the domain name includes Bloodbowl which is an infringement of GW's registered trademark. Now, I am not against their need to ensure their trademarks are not used inappropriately, I feel they could have approached me in a more friendly manner to investigte the purpose of the site and discover that I only wanted to provide a hub for dicussing Blood Bowl globally. instead, they immediately enter heavy handed.

If they truely believe the donations have contributed to me becoming a wealthy person or that I have made enough money to give up a proper job they are sadly mistaken. The small amount of money donated has gone to pay for the upkeep of the server (when I used my own hardware and hosted it at home) or towards the costs for hosting with an ISP. In short I have been vastly out of pocket to provide TalkBB rather than the other way around. I thank all those that have contributed as it has helped TalkBB survive.

I have been asked to:

Immediately cease and desist from any activity which infringes GW's intellectual property.
either remove remove your website or the reference to 'Blood Bowl' in your website name.
Remove the donations button from the page.
Confirm by return that you will not infringe GW's intellectual properly rights at any time in the future.

Now, I could simply remove Bloodbowl from the domain by renaming it to TalkBB.com, but that means buying a new domain and time spent sorting everything out. Bearing in mind I hardly visit TalkBloodBowl.com anyway, I can't really be bothered with all that so have decided to let it die. Therefore from Sunday 8 November 2009 www.talkbloodbowl.com will cease to exist.

Should anybody wish to take ownership of the source and contents I will be more than happy to prepare it for transfer, although this will not include the domain name. I will also have to ensure the recipient will not use DB content for anything other than to maintain the forum as part of an existing Blood Bowl site. This is to ensure passwords and emails do not fall into the wrong hands.

Thank you for your support over the years and for making TalkBloodBowl.com what it is today. Without you all it would have died all by itself many years ago, regardless of donations.

Regards,
JohnnyP

SunDevil

I didn't know Blood Bowl was run by WizKids.

Kaufmann

good riddence, i tried four times to get registered for that site. it never worked.

Vitamin T

This is the new location of Talk Blood Bowl

http://www.talkfantasyfootball.org/

TL